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A number is worth a thousand words

It seems I make this post about once a year. It comes at different times when the mood hits me. It's an extremely unpopular opinion and even more so following last season. To put it simply, I have...

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I'm not much of a stat guy either, kinda old school and go by what I see...hah. Any comments on this? Jose Altuve Jose Altuve DRS UZR Def 1/3 Season Def 2012-2014 AVG -9.3 -9.3 -7.1 -2.4 2015 6.0 2.8...

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Most platforms have him playing better defense so far this year. If memory serves, he's faded defensively down the stretch throughout the past few seasons, but I could be wrong. Stay tuned for more...

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There is value in a high batting average, but it isn't nearly as much as people think. So, what I've done is look at 23 second basemen we could call regulars. So, we can presume all of these guys are...

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I was pondering the same thing earlier today. Could we come up with a package including Altuve to get a SP under team control for several years? The facts you mentioned don't shock me, but we also...

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First, there's a difference between "foundational" and "marketable". Altuve gets a lot of publicity because he's marketable but he's also surprisingly good. I think his long-term career path is as a...

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Well, it seems the Cat is out of the bag.  The inept hitting is finally overshadowing every inch of progress being done by the strong starting pitching.  Coupled with the leaky bullpen, and we may be...

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I thought it was discussed last year that all the crazy defensive shifting hurts his defensive metrics because, if the shifters are right, the fielder is already closer to the right fielding position...

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All very true Oldog. The total base element (isolated power) dwarfs the patient element most of the time. In Altuve's case, he really doesn't have much of either. The speed element is keeping him...

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At less than 5 million dollars a year for the next 5 years, can you really complain much? The 2014 free agent market decided to pay out around 6 million dollars per win when you look at the player's...

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All very true Mjh84. In my original post I did reference the contract and the fact that he is a relative bargain at least through 2017. So, this is not a "YOU MUST DUMP ALTUVE NOW" thread. It is...

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Scott,  If you've got the secondary numbers available for both power and patience, could you re-do the numbers by multiplying the power secondary value by something in the 1.5 range --or whatever you...

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That is already a part of the formula more or less. The problem with manipulating the formula is that it includes a base running element and I'm not sure how it exactly fits in. I've been using an...

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So, if I understand you correctly, he would currently have a ISO2 of .145, but if we apply your multiplier it would become .1575 + .040 which would be .1975 (or rounded to .198). Yes, that's what I...

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I'm willing to play along. In terms of what you're saying, I decided to average batting average and the ISO2 number together because there is still a value in a higher batting average. Presumably,...

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Okay folks, what we have listed below is what I will call "Total Offensive Value" with the Oldog multiplier. I'm adding batting average, secondary patience, to secondary power (x 1.5). I'm taking...

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If Kemp dominates AAA the rest of the year I could see Altuve being moved in the offseason as a centerpiece in a big move to acquire a starting pitcher or amazing hitter. This is always the tough...

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Let's not get carried away by Tony Kemp. Yes, he draws more walks than Altuve, but he also has less power. I've also never seen him play, so I don't know where he is defensively. I would say the best...

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Thanks, Scott,  that was a lot of work to throw your way but I think it's pretty revealing.  And yes, I assumed the BA would be included in the number-crunching.Others should bear in mind that working...

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No problem, the summer time gives me a little freedom to play around with things. In that spirit, here are the 22 catchers with 150 plate appearances through yesterday. I'm assuming a similar surprise...

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